Voices in Education
The Differences Between Us: French and American Classrooms
In one scene from the new French film, The Class, about an inner-city school outside Paris, the teacher has students conjugating verbs on the blackboard. After one student’s mistakes generate jeers and catcalls, the teacher challenges the rest of the class to do better. When they too fail, he in turn ridicules them. Later, losing his temper at two students, he labels them what roughly translates as bitches. For a basically compassionate guy, his use of mockery and sarcasm to control his class of immigrant outsiders is disturbing.

All of this was not unlike our 17-year-old daughter’s experience at the much wealthier public lycée she attended last year when my husband’s work took us to France. From our first encounter it was a struggle: administrators there were reluctant to take her. American students, they claimed, were one to two years behind their French peers and they doubted she could compete—especially with just adequate language skills and in the terminale, or baccalaureate year where the heavy, content-driven curriculum depended—logically and sequentially—on what had gone before. We asked about mixing upper and lower courses, causing further consternation: classes were not available à la carte. We had a lot to learn.

There were many kindnesses over the year, but being ridiculed and humiliated by teachers was a surprising and painful new educational experience for her as the only foreigner, or étrangère, in the 2,000-student school. The first five minutes on her first day she was mortified to tears by a teacher outraged that she’d rushed in after the bell while her peers waited beside their desks. “Do you think the rules don’t apply to you?” the teacher began in an opening salvo. By the end, none of the other students would look at her, nor would anyone speak to her that first day.

Later that week in physics, a classmate raised a timid hand, “I don’t understand.” “Then I can’t help you,” said the teacher. “I just explained it.” He then told the girl’s neighbor to stop trying to assist since the girl didn’t seem able to grasp even the simplest of explanations.

Our daughter described the terror she felt and her peers showed when making presentations in a philosophy class, stuttering in the face of the teacher’s frequent interruptions of “unimpressive,” or, “really?”

I asked a French friend on leave from her Parisian middle school and teaching for the year at our public high school in Cambridge MA, what she thought about such differing cultural approaches to class management. Taken aback, she described teasing and sarcasm as useful tools in shaming bad behavior. “American teachers are too careful,” she said. “We are much more aggressive in France to stop trouble before it starts, and if the methods are sometimes harsh, well, they’re also effective.”

French parents and even the British ex-pats I talked to were solidly behind what they laughingly called “curb training.” As one put it, “If children can’t behave before they get to school, they do after they arrive.”

I was present for a dictée, given in a first grade class that had three little boys in a state of collapse. In a country that still requires handwriting analysis for some job interviews, penmanship is highly valued. Beyond spelling and punctuation, the dictée is about perfectly formed letters. By contrast, I thought about how invented spelling had empowered the furious writing behind our elder daughter’s first novel: “The Dangrus Stry abut a Pak of Snyks.”

In the French school system, the stakes are high: memorization is emphasized and learning is rigid and rationally organized around a curriculum that comes from a central Paris office. Educators rolled their eyes when I asked about in-class accommodations for learning disabilities and individualized ed plans. Tracking in France happens not through classroom assignments but rather on a school-wide level. Based on test scores, kids begin to get funneled into technical or college preparatory schools by middle school.

At our daughter’s lycée, she was placed in one of six groups of students in their final, terminale year (science focus). Each cohort of 30 students spent their entire day together moving from History/Geography, to Philosophy, Math, English, a second foreign language, Biology, and Physics/Chemistry. Although total class time was maybe six hours a day, the school ran from about 8 am to 5 pm with a two-hour lunch and hour-long gaps scattered throughout the schedule. This structure precluded school-wide socializing as well as school-sponsored afternoon sports or drama activities.

Save for science labs, all classes were lecture format—dictated slowly and precisely with headings, subheadings and numbered points. Student notes were word-for-word identical, complete with colored headings. Papers were handwritten: she never saw computer use among teachers and students, and although all students carried cell phones and had computers at home, no one seemed to have heard of Facebook or other social web sites.

Homework meant memorizing lecture notes in preparation for weekly contrôles, or exams. She lost points on her first history exam for “hors de sujet” or analysis. “Not relevant,” her teacher said, about her thoughts: he was only interested in whether she could recite the material. In math, (a curriculum based on the foundations of continuous mathematics that made her father ecstatic), she was horrified to see she’d received a 14/20 until she heard her classmates whispering, “Impossible! L’Américaine?” and learned that she’d received the top score.

She ended up doing well in math and science—a credit to the teachers at her Massachusetts public high school. And maybe a response to a French parent who had this to say about her young daughter’s third grade experience in a Cambridge classroom: “Teachers greet the children with hugs and never, ever tell them their answers are wrong—just that there may be another way. Yes, American children are happy, perhaps naively, like their parents. They certainly are confident, extroverted, and independent. It remains to be seen, however, whether they learn.”


About the Author: Colleen Gillard is a Cambridge-based free-lance journalist. She has written for the Harvard Education Letter in addition to newspapers and magazines across the country.

Comments:

Apr 11, 2009 06:12 PM The Massachusettes school the French teacher taught in is not typical of most american schools or she is exaggerating...

What American school has teachers who "never ever tell students their answers are wrong"??

You can tell a students is wrong without saying they are stupid. Maybe this is something the french teachers should learn....

– Rose

Apr 18, 2009 01:26 PM Being myself in a French lycee, this article amuses me a lot. The tone is a bit ironic and the ideas sometimes exagerated but I must say that it corresponds quite well to the reality.

However I do believe that French high school students are in advance compared to the Americans, but that's because we cannot mix higher and lower classes.

Even the notion of class isn't the same in France. In the French system, students are grouped together depending on their section (in a general lycee, these sections are literature, economics and sociology, and science). That group is called a class.

All the students in a class take the same courses (not to say classes).

Even though this system is rigid, it obliges the students to have a solid educational background for the future.

And I also appreciate the fact that it gives a good general culture to the students. Even in the science section, philosophy, French, History, Geography, English and a another foreign language are taught.

Some French students want to adopt the American system, because they are not interested in all the subjects they're currently studying. However I think there are more benefits from this absence of freedom...

– Dan

May 7, 2009 02:48 PM I know the French system better than the American one because Senegal(my country)imports many of its teaching approaches from there. Senegal used to be a colony of France. Unfortunately, the bulk of senegalese pedagogical trainers fail to understand that The French system is not appropriate for our developing country. Indeed, in the French system, learners have no identity. More precisely, their abstract marks give them identities.That is to say there care too much about ranking before putting a distinct face on each learner. That is why, those who are arbitrarily considered as 'ignorant' learners or 'bad performers' are ridiculed by their peers and even their teachers. I mean, the French system lays too much emphasis on school competition.In my eyes, this not far from being relevant. Indeed, cooperation should take precedence over competition to sow the seeds of a peaceful life in the future. Besides, Pedagogical theories and approaches are always a promothean undertaking. They are tailored to suit the socio-cultural realities of a given country. The final objectives of these pedagogical approaches are either to reinforce socio-cultural values or to compensate for their loss. Unfortunately, I do think the French system to be so abstract and discursive. That is one of the reason why,in the French system,Independence, self-directedness; self-help etc. are no existant. Yet; we need these values in Africa to develop.

– Souleymane SAKHO

Jul 16, 2009 10:45 AM The key issue is that the French seem to like pedagogical strategies rooted in the past before the advent of educational research. They emphasize a generally harsh elitist approach with streamed classes, rigid curricula, inflexible and punitive teacher/administrative strategies. Inevitably, a hardy few will succeed. But that approach will hardly work for the majority of students. Inevitably classrooms, like the wider society, must be humanized to exploit the many forms of talent lying dormant. That is the thrust of democracy. The modern choice is between elitism and democracy, education for the few versus education for the many: flexibility instead of rigidity, steady performance instead of herculean achievement, emotionally stable and happy students instead of bored dropouts.

– Kenneth

Feb 22, 2010 02:12 PM If that is the way that the students are taught then they will learn the material, and probably never forget it, but they will not learn to treat people like human beings. They will not learn to grow, only to learn.

– Kay

Jul 30, 2010 12:31 PM I put my two kids through the French primary school system and that really sucks. My dyslexic son was banned from the class and spent his first year of school in the corridor. Primary teachers tend to be without imagination and as they only work four days a week, some of them are quite lazy. They don't like to communicate with parents. All my meetings with teachers were standing up, in the hallway with the teacher looking at her watch after 10 minutes. I agree wholeheartedly with Kay!

– Maggie

Sep 6, 2010 06:24 PM I teach English in a lycee in France and my lessons and the ones I've seen from my colleagues, along with the feedback we get from our students, doesn't correspond at all to what is depicted here. It was certainly like this a few years back and surely there are many things to be done to improve the way we teach and how our school system works, but saying both students and teachers don't use computers for instance is quite unbelievable. We are surrounded by I.T and we certainly use it and all the "lycees" in the town where I live do so as well...

I taught in Australia not so long ago (according to what I've read, but I might be mistaken, it seems to be similar to the American way of teaching) where I found some very positive things, especially the way pupils are indeed encouraged and how the approach is much more on emphasizing on what they are good at rather than "ranking" them according to their marks. However, it does not mean French teachers humiliate their students (what a cliche!!!) or that nothing is made to adapt our lessons for ALL our students (whatever their difficulties).

Colleen also writes about her daughter losing points for things such as "hors sujet" (not relevant). Well, what do you expect??? If you ask the price of a car to your car dealer and he answers by giving you the results of yesterday's football game, will you thank him for his very helpful answer or will you tell him that this was not what you were asking for?. Answering correctly doesn't mean reciting the lesson word-for-word but surely not talking about something irrelevant to the subject either. And I personally don't think that telling someone he/she is not answering the question asked is a form of bullying... (if there is no humiliation of course). When she writes "She ended up doing well in math and science a credit to the teachers at her Massachusetts public high school", maybe it would also be fair to give a bit of credit to what she had learned in that French school.

Colleen's daughter might have had a bad experience but it doesn't mean all the teachers, students and the entire French school system is to be put "to the pillory" (as the French saying goes).

Finally, I find that describing the French teachers and students as heartless individuals is simply ridiculous. And if it was not the aim of this post, this is the impression it gives. When I read comments such as Kay's ones, I'm just amazed. Reading that kids in France will not "learn to treat people like human beings" or Kenneth who talks about "harsh elitist approach" and "inflexible and punitive teacher", it really makes me laugh. That must be my French arrogance or simply because I was taught in such an "evil" system according to you, but getting lessons of humanity from the American society is quite amusing really... You all seem to forget that this is exactly the image most of the people on the planet have of the American people. I'm sorry to say that but you are not exactly given as examples for humanity and as people caring that much for their fellow creatures but more as ridiculously blind patriots not really caring about anyone else or anything else which is not relating to the U.S. As you can see, the impression given does not necessarily correspond to the truth.

PS: Colleen, come and visit my "lycee". I'll be happy to show you and your family that what you describe certainly doesn't apply to most of the French schools (though, once again, there are many improvements to be done) and I'll be happy to arrange a meeting (formal or informal with our students so that you can give your point of view and we could discuss it in class. (This is a serious invitation).

– Vincent

Oct 13, 2010 11:28 AM This could have been such a great discussion on what each system can take from the other, and there certainly are many things. However, putting down the entire French system in such a way is much too easy and naive. French students develop from an early age a method to learn and apply learned material, and know what is acceptable behavior and what is not. American students are taught through school and extracurricular activity what their own special strengths are, and how they may be able to use them for future professional work.

I personally believe that the French system up to high school is much stronger than the American one, while I believe that upper level studies are best in the US. That is because up to high school in France, students are taught general studies and discipline, while past that point, students learn independence and get to explore different sides of their personality before choosing a topic.

– Geraldine

Oct 21, 2010 11:25 PM As a university in Canada who lived in 3 different countries growing up and attending the French Lycees all the time I can say that the level of French education when students graduate is easily 2 or 3 years ahead of normal canadian students. I am given to understand that the Canadian system is similar to the system in the USA.

In fact the level of the baccalaureate (the french high school diploma) is such that all my friends and I who obtained it received a full year of university credits in subjects as far reaching as philosophy, history, math, french(of course), english, spanish, economics and biology.

I agree with Geraldine in that the North American university system is much better than the French since in the latter there is much competition for entrance to programs. A friend of mine took an exam along with 5 000 other students for Sciences Politique (Sciences Po) in which there were only 50 places. Also the French university system does not let one experiment with what one wants to do.

– Alex

Nov 18, 2010 06:38 PM I am French and of course spent my entire school years in the French educational system. I must say that this article is a little bit biased.

High schools students ARE NOT expected to write word by word what the teacher is saying. They are supposed to take notes. They write their own notes with their own words. They have to make a quick synthesis of the teacher's word. The headings etc are very important. It helps them see the structure of the lessson. Also, French students are asked to write a lot of essays and having a good plan shows your thoughts are structured and logical.

As for school activities, the big difference between France and the US is that it's the city that takes care of it. And you usually start when you are 6 years old. Want to do some basketball? Go to the basketball club run by the city, pay a very low membership and you'll be playing basketball with kids your own age and from different schools. The big advantage is that you get to know more people that are not from your school thus avoiding cliques in high school. There are no groups of jocks or nerds in French high schools. Everyone is here to study and their social activities are done during their own time.

My experience in a French high school was great. Teachers always greeted us and students greeted their teachers too. Some teachers can make hurtful comments but they are never personal. Everyone will be treated the same. You adapt and use this skill later in life when you are working with difficult bosses or coworkers.

And as for Facebook, you've got to be kidding me. Kids in middle school are on Facebook in France. Teachers are complaining about it. I really wonder where and when your daughter went to school. It sounds like it was a convent from the 1950s. It's true that notes are handwritten and I think this is a good thing. I work for a major US corporation in MN and most people take notes with a pen and a piece of paper.

– Severine

Feb 13, 2011 01:44 PM I have been in the french system all my life,and it's never been like that for me . I think she probably just went to the wrong school and had a bad experience. Because I really like school and most of the teachers.

– Meagan Burtch

Oct 9, 2011 10:28 PM This is unfortunately accurate. I am French and have watched and lived through this myself. I was among the smart students so I did not have a hard time but was very bored since we all must take the same level. In the US you can select Honors lever classes, and Advanced Placement if you are smart and a hard worker.In France you are bored and then eventually loose motivation. It is perhaps simplified but inferior than US schools.

– Maxime

Oct 12, 2011 05:04 AM I was both amused and appalled at reading this article.

I think you can't judge a whole system (and convey such cliches!) through a unique experience. French schools are so different from one city/district to another !

I am myself am a teacher, and I would never dare to have such a humiliating attitude to my students, or refuse explanation or extra help to those who need it.

As a student, I never received such treatment from any of my teachers.

Of course, I don't deny that this can happen, but you would have to visit other schools to make such general assessments. I have never heard of teachers thinking that students needed 'curb-training', and I wish you would give a less biased account of the French education system. It is far from being perfect, but I didn't recognize it at all in your description.

Lastly, I went to US schools several times, for brief periods, and I try not to draw quick conclusions on the American education system - that would be too easy and unfair.

– Jennifer

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