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by Robert Rothman on October 20, 2008
Over the past few months, education policy wonks have engaged in a debate over the relative importance of in-school and out-of-school factors in student success. The debate was symbolized by two manifestos, coincidentally released on successive days in June.
One group, called the Education Equality Project and led by Joel Klein, the chancellor of New York City’s schools and the Rev. Al Sharpton, focused squarely on schools. This group called for stronger accountability for student results--including holding teachers accountable for improving learning. The EEP noted that schools have demonstrated that they can succeed with students from low-income homes, as Karin Chenoweth showed in her book, “It’s Being Done.”
Another group, calling for a “Broader, Bolder Approach to Education,” emphasized that schools alone cannot close achievement gaps. This group, led by Helen Ladd of Duke University, Pedro Noguera of New York University, and Thomas Payzant of the Harvard Graduate School of Education, called for investments in early-childhood education, out-of-school learning supports, and health services in addition to school improvement efforts.
A third group, calling for a “Community Agenda,” joined the debate in September. This group, closer to the Broader, Bolder approach, stressed the need for school-community partnerships to support student learning in and out of school. One of the signers of the Community Agenda was Randi Weingarten, the new president of the American Federation of Teachers, who called for community schools--in which schools provide services for children and families--in her inaugural address to the union in July.
The debate, which has gotten heated at times, is in many ways a false one. Many schools that succeed with low-income students provide services outside of the traditional school day--extended-day and after-school programs, health and social supports for children and families, classes for adults and much more. And the advocates of community and out-of-school supports recognize the centrality of schools in student learning.
The key is a system that effectively links high-functioning schools with out-of-school supports. Now, in most places, such links are ad hoc and most likely to be accessed by those with the knowledge and wherewithal to navigate their way through them--another reason students from more affluent families tend to out-perform their low-income peers.
What would such a system look like? In City Schools: How Districts and Communities Can Create Smart Education Systems, my colleagues and I describe some of the components of such a system and show nascent examples in Dallas, Chattanooga, New York, and other places. Yet questions remain:
One group, called the Education Equality Project and led by Joel Klein, the chancellor of New York City’s schools and the Rev. Al Sharpton, focused squarely on schools. This group called for stronger accountability for student results--including holding teachers accountable for improving learning. The EEP noted that schools have demonstrated that they can succeed with students from low-income homes, as Karin Chenoweth showed in her book, “It’s Being Done.”
Another group, calling for a “Broader, Bolder Approach to Education,” emphasized that schools alone cannot close achievement gaps. This group, led by Helen Ladd of Duke University, Pedro Noguera of New York University, and Thomas Payzant of the Harvard Graduate School of Education, called for investments in early-childhood education, out-of-school learning supports, and health services in addition to school improvement efforts.
A third group, calling for a “Community Agenda,” joined the debate in September. This group, closer to the Broader, Bolder approach, stressed the need for school-community partnerships to support student learning in and out of school. One of the signers of the Community Agenda was Randi Weingarten, the new president of the American Federation of Teachers, who called for community schools--in which schools provide services for children and families--in her inaugural address to the union in July.
The debate, which has gotten heated at times, is in many ways a false one. Many schools that succeed with low-income students provide services outside of the traditional school day--extended-day and after-school programs, health and social supports for children and families, classes for adults and much more. And the advocates of community and out-of-school supports recognize the centrality of schools in student learning.
The key is a system that effectively links high-functioning schools with out-of-school supports. Now, in most places, such links are ad hoc and most likely to be accessed by those with the knowledge and wherewithal to navigate their way through them--another reason students from more affluent families tend to out-perform their low-income peers.
What would such a system look like? In City Schools: How Districts and Communities Can Create Smart Education Systems, my colleagues and I describe some of the components of such a system and show nascent examples in Dallas, Chattanooga, New York, and other places. Yet questions remain:
- How do school-community partnerships hold one another accountable for their role in improving student outcomes?
- How can existing efforts expand to provide services and supports at scale, so that all children and families can benefit?
- How can city agencies and community organizations negotiate the power dynamics that often stymie potential partnerships?
Comments:
| Nov 2, 2008 09:55 PM |
I work in District U-46, the largest school district in Illinois outside of Chicago. Our new Superintendent has embraced a program being instituted in various places around the country called the 10 Boys Initiative. The program's goal is to select 10 at-risk students in each one of the district's elementary, middle and high schools and help them improve their skills, attitudes, attendance, and achievement by providing support coming from mentors outside the schools.
My son, who graduated from the district 2 years ago and is now in college, is helping local elementary school students in the Initiative through an after school club he has worked with for years called Crossroads Kids Club. Conceptually this is great. My son said he feels tremendous freedom in the mentorship possibilities and he is looking forward to seeing in what ways he can help motivate the students he is working with. But one thing he told me really bothered me, though I tried not to say much about it to him, as I thought it might dampen his enthusiasm. He told me he was involved in helping the students set higher MAP score goals for themselves. That is an ill-advised step which I think could be counterproductive. First of all my son has almost no knowledge of what a MAP score is, how it is derived and what the specific mechanics are of how to move forward on it by, say, 10 points. And neither do the young people he is working with. "Kid, you got a 198 on your MAP last year, but we would like you to get a 220 this year." Neither my son nor the student can really have any idea of what these numbers mean. Aren't we setting up kids for potentially falling flat and feeling like utter failures if they do not achieve these cognitive gains? Don't we have enough studies that tell us that educating the whole child, in the cognitive, psycho motor, affective and conative domains will boost achievment, without roping the out-of-school supports into the narrow cognitive numbers game so magnified by NCLB considerations? Are we so bound by the metrics of AYP that community partners who might otherwise join kids in playing tag, jumping rope, flinging dodge balls, building model airplanes and soap box cars must get streamrollered by heavy boots of NCLB? Let my children go! – Larry Pahl |
| Dec 11, 2008 03:09 PM |
Bob, I sat down with Marty Blank, Director, Coalition for Community Schools to answer the excellent questions you offered up. Here goes ...
How do school-community partnerships hold one another accountable for their role in improving student outcomes? 1)They define a clear set of results with explicit indicators of the progress they are seeking. 2)They define through MOUs what each will contribute to moving the indicator forward 3)They regularly review their progress. The issue of early chronic absenteeism is an example. In New York City last year, over 90,000 children (20% of total enrollment) in grades K-5 missed at least one month of school last year. They missed school for a variety of reasons but the result is that they missed out on receiving instruction. How can we improve school success through greater student achievement if we do not also address the issues that keep students out of the classroom? How can existing efforts expand to provide services and supports at scale, so that all children and families can benefit? 1)Give people examples of work at scale at the local level. Chicago with its 150 schools and a supportive district leadership is a good example. Portland has 54 community schools and successfully combines school, county, and district resources. The United Way of Greater Lehigh Valley serves as an intermediary for community school efforts that span across more than three districts including urban, rural, and suburban neighborhoods. Those initiatives have three things that are key: i)leadership ii)resources dedicated to the purpose iii)They have purposefully built and nurtured a supportive constituency of parents and community members. 2)Federal and state policy must shift to create incentives that nurture these partnerships rather than creating silos. Too often through the categorical system, we create silos and don't expect communities to define what is needed for all children and youth to succeed. And to figure out how we can collectively use the resources we have to reach results. How can city agencies and community organizations negotiate the power dynamics that often stymie potential partnerships? 1)The key to success in Chicago and Portland has been the decision to create partnerships between schools and community-based organizations that are based on sharing assets and expertise. In the best of these relationships overtime, people build relational trust that overcomes any power differential. So, policymakers need to be able to articulate how they want to organize these relationships access the assets the 2)Once that framework is established, people will learn to respect one another and appreciate each others assets and expertise. 3)In the proposed federal legislation the Coalition has been working on, we ask that the federal government begin to fund consortia, including LEAs, local government, nonprofits, and higher education institutions, so that there is no presumptive fiscal sponsor. He who has the money has the power. If we require that people work together to decide collectively who is best equipped to be the steward of the funds, we feel this creates a sense of shared power, responsibility and joint accountability. And with that goes the creation of decision making/policymaking that includes all members of the consortium. – Sarah S. Pearson, deputy director, Coalition for Community Schools |
| Dec 11, 2008 03:13 PM |
I agree with Larry Pahl.
– Sarah S. Pearson |
| Dec 19, 2008 06:39 PM |
Create an operational definition of "outcome." Current assessments end before the results of the inputs can be known. Without that knowledge anything that is done is pure guesswork.
Limit group size to no more than 150 total individuals. Engage technology (i.e. Twitter) to develop sharing of creativity. And shift the focus of education at all levels from "Education" to "Learning". Start by re naming the DOEducation to DOLearning. A simple action with enormous paradigm shifting potential. – Chuck Fellows |
| Jun 19, 2009 05:43 PM |
I am just starting research on six sites who are embracing the Community Learning Center strategy. We have gone through training with the Coalition of Community Schools, have used their framework for results and indicators, and are now in the interviewing and data collection stage. I know that the debate and seemingly infinite claims are redundant from all sides of the issue, especially from those who seem to be in key national leadership positions. How can I, as a new researcher, sort through all of the messy claims and come out on top with some sort of direction?
Any suggestions? J.L.A. – J. L. Adams |
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